Kamala Harris on mask mandate: ‘This is a sacrifice we have to make’

In her first one-on-one network interview since her vice presidential nomination, Sen. Kamala Harris sat down with TODAY’S Craig Melvin to discuss the shooting of Jacob Blake, criticize President Donald Trump and shed light on the nationwide mask mandate that she and running mate Joe Biden have called for.

When asked how the mask mandate would be enforced, Harris responded: “It’s a standard. I mean, nobody’s going to be punished.”

Reflecting on some ongoing pushback against mask policies, she continued: “Nobody likes to wear a mask. This is a universal feeling, right? … The point is this is: What we, as responsible people who love our neighbors, we have to just do that right now. God willing, it won’t be forever. But this is a sacrifice we have to make.”


Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., and her husband Doug Emhoff are joined on stage by Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden, and his wife Jill Biden, during the third day of the Democratic National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020, at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

In this image from video, former President Barack Obama speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden leads a conversation on racial justice with Art Acevedo, Jamira Burley, Gwen Carr, Derrick Johnson and Lori Lightfoot during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Former First Lady Michelle Obama addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

In this image from video, Eva Longoria, serving as moderator, speaks during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Presumptive Democratic vice presidential nominee, U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris speaks in a video recorded montage during the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Republican, Former Ohio Governor John Kasich addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, CEO of Quibi Meg Whitman addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

In this image from video, Megan Rapinoe of Orlando, Fla., not seen, leads a discussion with Michelle Boyle of Pittsburgh, Bradley Driefuss of Tucscon, Ariz., and Trung Le of Simsbury, Conn., and Aldo Martinez of Fort Myers, Fla., participate in a conversation with frontline workers battling the coronavirus pandemic speaks during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Megan Rapinoe of Orlando, Fla., Michelle Boyle of Pittsburgh, Bradley Driefuss of Tucscon, Ariz., and Trung Le of Simsbury, Conn., and Aldo Martinez of Fort Myers, Fla., participate in a conversation with frontline workers battling the coronavirus pandemic during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Megan Rapinoe of Orlando, Fla., speaks during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Maggie Rogers performs “Back In My Body” during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Maggie Rogers performs “Back In My Body” during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Kristin Urquiza of San Francisco, speaks during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Majority Whip Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., speaks from Charleston, S.C., during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo speaks from Albany, N.Y., during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden leads a conversation on racial justice with Art Acevedo, Jamira Burley, Gwen Carr, Derrick Johnson and Lori Lightfoot during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

Rep. Gwen Moore, D-WI., waits her turn to speak during the Democratic National Convention at the Wisconsin Center on August 17, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.(Scott Olson/Pool via AP)

Rep. Gwen Moore, D-WI., speaks during the Democratic National Convention at the Wisconsin Center on August 17, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.(Scott Olson/Pool via AP)

In this image from video, Leon Bridges performs “Sweeter” during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Leon Bridges performs “Sweeter” during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

Rep. Gwen Moore, D-WI., speaks during the Democratic National Convention at the Wisconsin Center on August 17, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.(Scott Olson/Pool via AP)

In this image from video, Philonise Floyd, right, and Rodney Floyd speaks during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wisc., speaks at the Democratic National Convention Monday, Aug. 17, 2020, in Milwaukee. (AP Photo/Morry Gash, Pool)

In this image from video, District of Columbia Mayor Muriel Bowser speaks during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, farmer Rick Telesz of Volant, Pa., speaks with Eva Longoria, serving as moderator, during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Marley Dias of West Orange N.J., speaks with Eva Longoria, serving as moderator, during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Michelle Beebe of El Paso, Texas, speaks with Eva Longoria, serving as moderator, during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, grandchildren of Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden, including Finnegan Biden, Hunter Biden, Natalie Biden, Naomi Bisden and Maisy Biden, lead the Pledge of Allegiance during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Scott Richardson of Swarthmore, Pa., speaks as he talks with Eva Longoria, serving as moderator, during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rev. Gabriel Salguero delivers the invocation during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Eva Longoria, serving as moderator, speaks during the first night of the Democratic National Convention on Monday, Aug. 17, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

The control room for the Democratic National Convention is seen before the start of the convention Monday, Aug. 17, 2020, in Milwaukee. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)

The control room for the Democratic National Convention is seen before the start of the convention Monday, Aug. 17, 2020, in Milwaukee. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)

The control room for the Democratic National Convention is seen before the start of the convention Monday, Aug. 17, 2020, in Milwaukee. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Former U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Sen. Doug Jones (D-AL) addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, actress and activist Eva Longoria speaks to Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV) during the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to the Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

MILWAUKEE, WI – AUGUST 17: In this screenshot from the DNCC’s livestream of the 2020 Democratic National Convention, Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) addresses the virtual convention on August 17, 2020.The convention, which was once expected to draw 50,000 people to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is now taking place virtually due to the coronavirus pandemic.(Photo by DNCC via Getty Images)(Photo by Handout/DNCC via Getty Images)

In this image from video, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Mariska Hargitay of New York, speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Billie Eilish performs “My Future” during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Prince Royce performs “Stand By Me” during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Katherine Lorenzo of Las Vegas, speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Katherine Lorenzo of Las Vegas, speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers speaks during the third day of the Democratic National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisc. (Stephen Voss/Pool via AP)

In this image from video, New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham speaks in front of solar panels during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Kerry Washington, serving as moderator, speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, DeAndra Dycus of Indianapolis, speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Kerry Washington, serving as moderator, speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

State name signs near the stage where Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., will speak on third day of the Democratic National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020, at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

The outside of the Chase Center where Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., will speak during the third day of the Democratic National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020, in Wilmington, Del. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

In this image from video, Aliitama Sotoa and Petti Matila of American Samoa speak during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Gilbert Alaquinez of Arkansas speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Reuben Gill of Missouri speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Carmen Walters, president of Tougaloo College, speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rachel Prevost of Montana speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Geraldine Waller of Nebraska speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rep. Dina Titus, D-Nev., speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, former New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, New Mexico State Rep. Derrick Lente speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Marisol Garcia of Arizona speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., left, and rep. Hilda Solis, D-Calif., speak during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Cozzie Watkins of North Carolina speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, North Dakota delegate speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Nola Kileleman His of the Northern Mariana Islands speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Oklahoma Democratic Party Chair Alicia Andrews speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Travis Nelson of Oregon, right, speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Carmelo Rios-Santiago of Puerto Rico, speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Keely Sage of Tennessee speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Jamie Harrison, South Carolina Senate candidate, speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Kellen Returns From Scout of South Dakota speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rep. Veronica Escobar, D-Texas, speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Salt Lake County Mayor Jenny Wilson speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and his wife Jane, right, watch as Vermont votes in state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, John Legend performs “Never Break” during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Georgia State Sen. Nikema Williams speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Jill Biden, is joined by her husband, Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden, after speaking during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Jill Biden, wife of Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden, speaks during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Jill Biden, wife of Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden, speaks during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Sarah Thomas Nededog of Guam speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Amy Agbayani of Hawaii, speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg speaks during the state roll call vote on second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Ady Barkan, speaking from Santa Barbara, Calif., during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, former Secretary of State John Kerryspeaks during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., speaks during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., speaks during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Rep. Terri Sewell, D-Ala., speaks during the roll call during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, Tracee Ellis Ross, serving as moderator, speaks during the second night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., speaks during the third day of the Democratic National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020, at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., speaks during the third day of the Democratic National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020, at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., is joined on stage by her husband Doug Emhoff after she spoke during the third day of the Democratic National Convention, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020, at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

In this image from video, former President Barack Obama speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

In this image from video, former President Barack Obama speaks during the third night of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2020. (Democratic National Convention via AP)

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The former attorney general of California also discussed Jacob Blake, the 29-year-old Black man shot seven times in the back by a police officer in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Sunday. On Wednesday, Wisconsin officials said Blake was near a knife when the shooting took place but did not specify whether he was carrying the knife when he was shot.

Asked by Craig whether there’s a scenario in which the officer is justified in firing his weapon, Harris said, “I don’t see it. But I don’t have all the evidence.”

“The man was going to his car. He didn’t appear to be armed. If he was not armed, the use of force that was seven bullets coming out of a gun at close range in the back of the man, I don’t see how anybody could reason that that was justifiable.”

Questioned whether she believes the officer should be charged, she said: “I think that there should be a thorough investigation and, based on what I’ve seen, it seems that the officer should be charged.”

“Everyone should be afforded due process,” Harris continued. “That is absolutely one of the important tenets of our system of justice. But here’s the thing. In America, we know these cases keep happening. And we have had too many Black men in America who have been the subject of this kind of conduct.”

Addressing “the condition of Black men in America,” she continued: “We know we still have a whole lotta work to do. We have talked about it in regards to policing in the criminal justice system, but let’s talk about the realities of the fact that every man, including every Black man, wants to be able to take care of his family and live with dignity and be respected.”

“The Biden-Harris plan is about investing in communities with a particular concern about those communities that have been long neglected to ensure that there will be economic opportunity.”

Craig also brought up Vice President Mike Pence’s statement from his speech at the Republican National Convention, in which he said, “The hard truth is, you won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America.”

Harris responded: “I will say this about the Republican Convention, some of which I have watched. I have yet to see these people who profess to be national leaders speak about this issue of the killing of unarmed Black men, brown men, Indigenous men in our country.”

“The American people, regardless of race or gender or age or geographic location, have a right to believe that their leaders will speak truth, even when these are difficult truths, to speak and to hear,” she said.

To conclude the conversation, Craig asked Harris about her promise that a Biden administration would have less chaos than the current one.

“There’s an old saying, ‘The fish rots from the head,'” Harris explained. “Part of leadership is to set a tone for the country. We have, on the one hand, Donald Trump, who’s been spending full time trying to sow hate and division in our country. On the other hand, you have Joe Biden, who has been all about saying, ‘We need to unify as a country, respect the dignity of our fellow human beings, respect the dignity of public service and these offices.'”

“In this election, there are two clear choices. There’re two. And which choice is reflective of who we aspire to be as a country and as a people,” she said,

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